Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Portuguese term or phrase:
O pai foi deputado federal e o filho foi deputado estadual.
English translation:
The father was a Congressman and the son was a State legislator
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coolbrowne
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Portuguese term
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O pai foi deputado federal e o filho foi deputado estadual.
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A frase é:
"O pai foi deputado federal por 3 gestões, o filho candidatou-se a deputado estadual diversas vezes, mas jamais se elegeu".
Nao sei se deputado federal seria 'congressman'... e deputado estadual seria 'State Representative'... me deu branco...
Help!
"O pai foi deputado federal por 3 gestões, o filho candidatou-se a deputado estadual diversas vezes, mas jamais se elegeu".
Nao sei se deputado federal seria 'congressman'... e deputado estadual seria 'State Representative'... me deu branco...
Help!
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Nov 15, 2010 13:12: coolbrowne changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/94069">Cybeles Lehner's</a> old entry - "O pai foi deputado federal e o filho foi deputado estadual. "" to ""The father was a Congressman and the son was a State legislator/delegate/Representative ""
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coolbrowne
United States
United States
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Portuguese term (edited):
O pai foi deputado federal e o filho foi deputado estadual
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The father was a Congressman and the son was a State legislator
Talvez caiba o "past perfect" (had been) em um dos casos ou em ambos, mas o contexto não é suficiente para se ter certeza. Note que a expressão "...foi deputado estadual" diverge do texto, que diz "...candidatou-se a deputado estadual..." Da mesma forma, a tradução correta a seguir (bônus) diverge da resposta correta acima
The father was a three-term Congressman and the son ran for the State Legislature several times but never got elected.
Vejam que o uso de "state legislator/legislature" além de ser 100% correto (isto é, entendido imediatamente e aceito por qualquer americano), resolve o problema das variações de terminologia de estado para estado: nos Estados Unidos, o legislador estadual pode ser chamado "Representative", "Delegate", "Assemblyman", etc. (o Brasil é muito mais uniforme)
E, só para esclarecer, é fato que o U.S. Congress consiste da Câmara (U.S. House of Representatives) e do Senado (U.S. Senate). Não obstante, o termo "Congressman" sempre indica um membro da primeira casa (Chamber); para senadores usa-se "Senator". E não vai adianta nada que nós reclamemos ou achemos ruim. É assim que se diz por aqui e são ele que mandam ;-)
The father was a three-term Congressman and the son ran for the State Legislature several times but never got elected.
Vejam que o uso de "state legislator/legislature" além de ser 100% correto (isto é, entendido imediatamente e aceito por qualquer americano), resolve o problema das variações de terminologia de estado para estado: nos Estados Unidos, o legislador estadual pode ser chamado "Representative", "Delegate", "Assemblyman", etc. (o Brasil é muito mais uniforme)
E, só para esclarecer, é fato que o U.S. Congress consiste da Câmara (U.S. House of Representatives) e do Senado (U.S. Senate). Não obstante, o termo "Congressman" sempre indica um membro da primeira casa (Chamber); para senadores usa-se "Senator". E não vai adianta nada que nós reclamemos ou achemos ruim. É assim que se diz por aqui e são ele que mandam ;-)
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Daniel Frisano
Italy
Italy
Italy
100% human translation, always
Native in: Italian 
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, German to Italian, and 14 more.
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federal congressman / state congressman
that's easier...
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Silvia Aquino
: Faz mais sentido.
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coolbrowne
: Ser fácil não torna correto. Não existe "state congressman" ninguém que sabe usar os termos usa "federal" com "congressman". Sempre haverá um alto número de "Google hits" para uso incorreto.
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airmailrpl
: "state congressman" About 28,100 results ..."Federal Congressman" About 13,000 results
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Marlene Curtis
United States
United States
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Marlene Curtis
Native in: Portuguese , English
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
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The father was a senator and the son a (state) representative.
The corresponding terms in the USA.
A congresssman can be a senator or a house representative.
In the United States, the term Congress refers jointly to both chambers or "houses" of that country's national bicameral legislature; the term Member of Congress there applies to members of both the upper house Senate and the lower House of Representatives. Rather than "Member of Congress", the more typical honorifics and terms of address are "Senator" (or "U.S. Senator") and "Representative" (or "U.S. Representative"). In the United States, U.S. Representatives are sometimes referred to by the terms Congressman, Congresswoman and Congressperson; the terms have fallen into disfavor because of their ambiguity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Congress
A congresssman can be a senator or a house representative.
In the United States, the term Congress refers jointly to both chambers or "houses" of that country's national bicameral legislature; the term Member of Congress there applies to members of both the upper house Senate and the lower House of Representatives. Rather than "Member of Congress", the more typical honorifics and terms of address are "Senator" (or "U.S. Senator") and "Representative" (or "U.S. Representative"). In the United States, U.S. Representatives are sometimes referred to by the terms Congressman, Congresswoman and Congressperson; the terms have fallen into disfavor because of their ambiguity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_Congress
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Ivan Rocha, CT
: Marlene, "Deputado Federal" não pode ser traduzido por "Senator".
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If you are talking about the USA, the term Federal Congressman does not exist. Google it./It would be incomprehensible in English.
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Silvia Aquino
: # 12 out. 2010 ... Adib Jatene - Health Minister; Alberto Goldman - Federal and State Representative; Almino Affonso - Federal Congressman, Minister of Labor, ... www.escoladegoverno.org.br/.../556-formationgovernors?... - Em cache # O pai foi deputado fe
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Sim link náo foi encontrado.
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airmailrpl
: "Deputado Federal" => congresssman.. anyone in the USA would understand "congresssman" as a member of the House of Representatives and NOT a Senator..great wrong reference - so far it is 100% unanimous "disagree"
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Kids in the House - High School - The Role of the House
The Senate has 100 members and is the upper house of the United States Congress. It is called the upper house because it has fewer members than the House of ...
kids.clerk.house.gov/high-school/less
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Ivan Rocha, CT
Canada
Canada
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Canada
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His father was a federal congressman and his son was a member of the state assembly
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Marlene Curtis
: The term federal congressman doesn't exist./It wouldn't make any sense here in the USA, there is no such a position as a federal congressman.
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Nem sempre traduzir é transpor conceitos entre sistemas diferentes.
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airmailrpl
: "Federal Congressman" About 13,000 results .."Federal Congressman" site:us About 109 results (
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Gerard Burns Jr.
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
I'm careful.
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Portuguese to English
The father had been a member of the national legislature, and his son a member of the state leg...
The father had been a member of the national legislature (or "congress"), and his son a member of the state legislature (or "state assembly").
ProZ says my full entry would be too long.
There is a "time" question here. You may need the past perfect (had been), at least for the father. If the father was in the national legislature and then _later_ his son was in the state assembly, the first should be in past perfect (event completed before a specified or understood past time). If they were both in those places at the same time, you can use the simple past (was /followed by the parallel structure). The other suggestions are fine if the simple past is all that is called for, but I notice Brazilian writers frequently omit use of the perfect tenses even when they are plainly intended.
ProZ says my full entry would be too long.
There is a "time" question here. You may need the past perfect (had been), at least for the father. If the father was in the national legislature and then _later_ his son was in the state assembly, the first should be in past perfect (event completed before a specified or understood past time). If they were both in those places at the same time, you can use the simple past (was /followed by the parallel structure). The other suggestions are fine if the simple past is all that is called for, but I notice Brazilian writers frequently omit use of the perfect tenses even when they are plainly intended.
Discussion
Marlene, se você colocar no Google Federal Congressman você encontrará o link. Tentei ir direto e realmente não vai.
27 mar. 2007 ... A federal deputy in Brazil is equivalent to a US Congressman. But only in the more informal translations would I translate it this way. ...
por.proz.com/kudoz/.../1840514-deputado_federal.html - Em cache
12 out. 2010 ... Adib Jatene - Health Minister; Alberto Goldman - Federal and State Representative; Almino Affonso - Federal Congressman, Minister of Labor, ...
www.escoladegoverno.org.br/.../556-formationgovernors?... - Em cache
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O pai foi deputado federal e o filho foi deputado estadual.
12 nov. 2010 ... 4, federal congressman / state congressman ... His father was a federal congressman and his son was a member of the state assembly ...
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