Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Czech term or phrase:
Chrám i tvrz
English translation:
A Cathedral And A Fortress
Added to glossary by
Dylan Edwards
Jun 27, 2003 12:48
20 yrs ago
Czech term
United Kingdom
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Greek to English, Czech to English, Slovak to English, and 1 more.
chrám i tvrz
Czech to English
Art/Literary
Just a phrase I've seen here and there. I'd be grateful for background information: where can I find the source of this phrase?
Sorry if the accent on the a isn't visible - I did key it in.
Sorry if the accent on the a isn't visible - I did key it in.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | A Cathedral And A Fortress |
Elenacb
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| 5 +1 | A Cathedral and a Fortress |
Helena Koutna
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| 5 | cathedral and citadel |
Nicholas Miller
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| 5 | Both a Temple and a Fortress |
Zenny Sadlon
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Change log
Jul 20, 2012 16:08: Dylan Edwards changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/52470">Elenacb's</a> old entry - "Ńhrám i tvrz"" to ""A Cathedral And A Fortress""
Proposed translations
8 mins
Selected
A Cathedral And A Fortress
Common learner errors
... In his book Chrám i tvrz (A Cathedral And A Fortress), Pavel Eisner a famous
Czech writer, translator and an excellent philologist wrote that Czechs are ...
www.bohemica.com/czechonline/reference/ czechtrivia/common_learner_errors.htm
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http://pup.princeton.edu/TOCs/c6273.html
... In his book Chrám i tvrz (A Cathedral And A Fortress), Pavel Eisner a famous
Czech writer, translator and an excellent philologist wrote that Czechs are ...
www.bohemica.com/czechonline/reference/ czechtrivia/common_learner_errors.htm
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http://pup.princeton.edu/TOCs/c6273.html
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you - all answers helpful! (including the comment about the Latin source of the phrase). I didn't know there was an existing translation of the phrase in a published book in English ("The Coast of Bohemia"). Many thanks for the detailed information, especially the references to Pavel Eisner."
2 mins
Nicholas Miller
Czech Republic
Czech Republic
Native in English
Czech Republic
Native English, MITI, MCIL
Native in: English
Works in: Czech to English, Slovak to English, Czech, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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43
cathedral and citadel
tvrz has a few possible translations: fortress, fort, stronghold, citadel
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This phrase might be in a guide book or history book
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It\'s also a book by \'Pavel Eisner\'. See http://www.folklor.cz/eter/
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This phrase might be in a guide book or history book
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Note added at 2003-06-27 12:54:30 (GMT)
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It\'s also a book by \'Pavel Eisner\'. See http://www.folklor.cz/eter/
Peer comment(s):
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Russ
: "Chrám" may be "temple" too, am I right?
6 mins
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If it's not a Christian place of worship, yes.
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+1
20 mins
Helena Koutna
Native in Czech
Your Czech voice
Native in: Czech 
Works in: English to Czech, Czech to English, Russian to Czech
Related KudoZ points
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11
A Cathedral and a Fortress
I am not sure whether this is the original source of the phrase, but it was used as a title of a fascinating book about the Czech language by Pavel Eisner. Eisner (1889 - 1958) was a master of the Czech language. He was a prolific translator (for example, he was the first translator to tackle a collection of stories by Leo Rossten about Mr Hyman Kaplan, before a complete collection was famously "transposed" into the Czech language by Antonin Pridal) and an author of essays and books about the Czech language. His books are both practical and amusing, and are a must for anyone interested in the Czech language, both as a language professional and a speaker.
Reference:
http://www.czech-language.cz/fiction/eisner/zivot.html
http://www.bohemica.com/czechonline/reference/czechtrivia/common_learner_errors.htm
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
David Daduč
: At the end of the book, there is a prayer wishing that the Czech language be our 'templum in modum arcis' or 'catherdral and fortress'.
17 mins
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2 days 13 hrs
Zenny Sadlon
Native in Czech
We don't compromise. We love what we do.
Native in: Czech
Works in: English to Czech, Czech to English
Related KudoZ points
:
251
Both a Temple and a Fortress
'chrám'= 'temple'
'tvrz' = 'fortified settlement'
A 'cathedral' is a specific type of a Christian temple.
A 'citadel' is involves a city which relates to the Roman concept of citizen and thus is quite more specific and newer, I think, than 'fortified settlement', or 'fortress'.
I think "temple" and "fortress" are more appropriate given the context and ethymology of the the variants.
Temple: 1a. A building dedicated to religious ceremonies or worship. 2. Something regarded as having within it a divine presence. ... 4. A building reserved for a highly valued function: the library, a temple of learning.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English tempel, from Latin templum. See tem- in Appendix I.
II. Form *tem-. 1. Suffixed form *tem-lo-. temple1, temple3; contemplate, from Latin templum, temple, shrine, open place for observation (augury term < place reserved or cut out), small piece of timber.
Cathedral: 1. The principal church of a bishop's diocese, containing the episcopal throne. 2. A large, important church. 3. Something that resembles a cathedral, as in grandeur or authority.
ETYMOLOGY: Short for cathedral church, from Middle English cathedral, of a diocese, from Old French, from Medieval Latin cathedrlis, of a bishop's see, from Latin cathedra, chair.
Fortress: A fortified place, especially a large, permanent military stronghold that often includes a town.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English forteress, from Old French, from Medieval Latin fortalitia, from Latin fortis, strong.
Citadel: 1. A fortress in a commanding position in or near a city. 2. A stronghold or fortified place; a bulwark.
ETYMOLOGY: French citadelle, from Italian cittadella, diminutive of cittŕ, city, from Latin cvits. See city.
City: ETYMOLOGY: Middle English cite, from Old French, from Latin cvits, from cvis, citizen.
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'tvrz' = 'fortified settlement'
A 'cathedral' is a specific type of a Christian temple.
A 'citadel' is involves a city which relates to the Roman concept of citizen and thus is quite more specific and newer, I think, than 'fortified settlement', or 'fortress'.
I think "temple" and "fortress" are more appropriate given the context and ethymology of the the variants.
Temple: 1a. A building dedicated to religious ceremonies or worship. 2. Something regarded as having within it a divine presence. ... 4. A building reserved for a highly valued function: the library, a temple of learning.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English tempel, from Latin templum. See tem- in Appendix I.
II. Form *tem-. 1. Suffixed form *tem-lo-. temple1, temple3; contemplate, from Latin templum, temple, shrine, open place for observation (augury term < place reserved or cut out), small piece of timber.
Cathedral: 1. The principal church of a bishop's diocese, containing the episcopal throne. 2. A large, important church. 3. Something that resembles a cathedral, as in grandeur or authority.
ETYMOLOGY: Short for cathedral church, from Middle English cathedral, of a diocese, from Old French, from Medieval Latin cathedrlis, of a bishop's see, from Latin cathedra, chair.
Fortress: A fortified place, especially a large, permanent military stronghold that often includes a town.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English forteress, from Old French, from Medieval Latin fortalitia, from Latin fortis, strong.
Citadel: 1. A fortress in a commanding position in or near a city. 2. A stronghold or fortified place; a bulwark.
ETYMOLOGY: French citadelle, from Italian cittadella, diminutive of cittŕ, city, from Latin cvits. See city.
City: ETYMOLOGY: Middle English cite, from Old French, from Latin cvits, from cvis, citizen.
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