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有情、无情 Feb 24, 2019

老沈説:你贴出的两张图都是想借“形”来达“意”的。其中石猪🐷为“实”,此心💗为“虚”,两张相比,虚实显然,而“心虚”总不是好事。当然谁都能看出山坡上的是个“心形”,关键是此形品相不佳:鲤背断经,塌方成形,心室狭窄,总是阴影。就算它像个“心”,哪里看得出情来?试想... See more
老沈説:你贴出的两张图都是想借“形”来达“意”的。其中石猪🐷为“实”,此心💗为“虚”,两张相比,虚实显然,而“心虚”总不是好事。当然谁都能看出山坡上的是个“心形”,关键是此形品相不佳:鲤背断经,塌方成形,心室狭窄,总是阴影。就算它像个“心”,哪里看得出情来?试想谁如在情人节收到这么一个心,说不定有情变无情。所以我说它看去满是愁。


非常感谢你的详尽解释,其实对图片或图画的欣赏、领受,每每因出于个人的成长经历、教育、文化以及当时的心情,而各有不同。所以,如我前文提及,你对心型山坡具不同理解及领受,实在不足为奇,并没有对或错的问题存在。

传统华夏诗词作者的创作精神不离 “天人合一”, 素喜以物比人(比兴),难以突破「引譬連類」的形式规范。与西方诗歌大多 “形而上” ,重视创新以及充满虚构托喻,即东西文化之一大分野。

因此, 你觉得该心 “鲤背断经,塌方成形,心室狭窄,总是阴影。” 我倒也同时能说:心如墨斗(黑心),形如倒立小精灵 PAC-MAN,碎石满盈(心碎),滴(海)水不沾(心如止水)等等。

但是,也许会有人觉得:其石烂海枯外型象征 爱情永固、信誓与子皆老,与天地共存殁;深色无底处代表 爱意无限、刻骨铭心;倒立 PAC-MAN 则表示甘心被意中人俘虏,愿意一生一世为对方效劳,相伴终生。

所以, 是愁是喜?是怨是情?实属非常个人之感受,无论得出何种情怀,旨在年十五情人节闹一闹、玩一玩
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In response to David Lin's continued Valentine's Day topic Feb 25, 2019

《又是谈情》

林版主,

这个话题我看到此为止吧,再谈下去味道就越来越差了,因为我们俩之间谈这个是不会有结果的(两个还都叫 David),再高谈阔论,旁人看了只会倒胃口。版主近期的频繁参与,确实给这个论坛增加了一份活力,要谈的话,咱们谈点别的,比如咖啡和茶,或者香肠热狗之类任何东西都会比这个有意思,你说呢?

当然对你上�
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《又是谈情》

林版主,

这个话题我看到此为止吧,再谈下去味道就越来越差了,因为我们俩之间谈这个是不会有结果的(两个还都叫 David),再高谈阔论,旁人看了只会倒胃口。版主近期的频繁参与,确实给这个论坛增加了一份活力,要谈的话,咱们谈点别的,比如咖啡和茶,或者香肠热狗之类任何东西都会比这个有意思,你说呢?

当然对你上面的用心回复我表示感谢;而且对你所观察到的东、西方作者写作习惯和倾向表示赞同。像我们这样身在海外的人,天天接触西方文化,感受切身,常常情不自禁地跟从小长大的环境作比较,才会有这么多“废话”。如果都闷在自己肚子里,这些个好不容易获得的感受也就废掉了,就象没来得及开放的花絮。说出来与同行分享一下,也许对后之来者会有什么帮助或参考价值。当然,凡事都要等亲自经历过,才会有真切的感受,用之于翻译,当更加贴切。你我从小生长环境不同,见解不一,求同存异。

你这两个回复中的引用和论述,我基本赞同。其实你我的分歧只是在对那张“心形山坡”的观后感和解读。大千世界,草木花卉,要找个心形,随手拈来。我当时说“就吐论图”,老实说,这张摄影不管是谁拍的,我真不觉得怎么样,无论从山体和心形都称不上美观。如果我写的这副拙对联用词不够好听,在此谨表歉意!
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神似 Feb 25, 2019

wherestip wrote: Rami Malek Plays Freddie Mercury    17 Feb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A (Freddie Mercury)  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7IJY1XnKM (Rami Malek)  

We Are the Champions(Queen)



Steve,

You nailed it!





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A scene from BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
It's 1975, and Freddie Mercury and the members of Queen are in the office of a record executive, played by Mike Myers, talking about the record they're about to release.
Freddie Mercury speaks first.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY")
RAMI MALEK: (As Freddie Mercury) We call the album, "A Night At The Opera."
MIKE MYERS: (As Ray Foster) Are you aware that no one actually likes opera?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #1: (As character) I like opera.
MYERS: (As Ray Foster) Do you?
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #2: (As character) I do.


MALEK: (As Freddie Mercury) No. Don't misunderstand, darling. It's a rock 'n' roll record, with the scale of opera, the pathos of Greek tragedy, the wit of Shakespeare, the unbridled joy of musical theater. It's a musical experience rather than just another record - something for everyone. Something - something that will make people feel belongs to them. We'll mix genres. We'll cross boundaries…
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The Oscars Feb 26, 2019

Thanks, QHE.  

BTW, Adam Lambert's Oscars night performance kind of turned me off. I didn't like it.


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求同存异,和而不同 Feb 27, 2019

老沈说:其实你我的分歧只是在对那张“心形山坡”的观后感和解读。....老实说,这张摄影不管是谁拍的,我真不觉得怎么样,无论从山体和心形都称不上美观。如果我写的这副拙对联用词不够好听,在此谨表歉意!


很同意你的建议,让我们求同存异,和而不同,讨
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老沈说:其实你我的分歧只是在对那张“心形山坡”的观后感和解读。....老实说,这张摄影不管是谁拍的,我真不觉得怎么样,无论从山体和心形都称不上美观。如果我写的这副拙对联用词不够好听,在此谨表歉意!


很同意你的建议,让我们求同存异,和而不同,讨论到此为止就好。尤其话题牵涉 “美感” 这门属于非常主观的话题,所以你完全毋需道歉啊!

另外,个人觉得我们的 discourse 其实也没有什么会令人倒胃口的。照片也不是我照的。就算是我照的,放得上公开论坛,就无法避免让人评头品足一番,也是平常之事。个人眼光不同,纯属品味偏好,有机会交换个人观感,我觉得也是好事一桩。

从好处著眼,我们提到中西诗词之异同,其实也是大学高等教育里头一项专门学问 -- 比较文学 Comparative Literature。

同仁如欲了解更多中西文学艺术上之异同,可参考此书,也许会对翻译有所裨益:

“The Reading of Imagery in the Chinese Poetic Tradition” by Pauline Yu 余宝琳。 Princeton, Princeton University Press. 1987.

https://book.douban.com/subject/4035466/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Yu

版主近期的频繁参与,确实给这个论坛增加了一份活力。


不敢当!去年我因工作情况有所改变,已不如前能经常在中文论坛发帖与大家切磋,向各位学习。

这次趁春节放长假,兴之所至,才趁机 “废话连篇” 并奉上腊味香肠,与大家高兴应节一番,请你和各同仁們不要见怪。蹉跎岁月,以及不知不觉误人青春,深感内疚,也请坛主 QHE 多多包涵、原谅。
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又關翻譯事? Mar 6, 2019

《口譯笑話一則》

為何川金會破局了?

據說是翻譯發音,和川普理解的問題⋯。

金:“我們將會建設一個更加強大的新朝鮮。”

朝鮮翻譯:“We will bulid a strong new Korea.”

川普聽成 "We will build a strong nuclear."

川普憤而離席,雙方沒達成任何協議!

(完)

請笑一下。;)


 
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Another example of temper-tantrum Mar 6, 2019

《Temper-tantrum 译法之一》
——见 David Lin 帖朝美会谈笑话

翻 译 舌 尖 拨 千 钧,
一 音 发 偏 两 国 恨。
冷 热 聚 散 神 经 战,
又见 temper-tantrum。
东 西 狂 人 比 使 性
难 煞 东 道 越 南 人。

(借用楼主 QHE 之译法: temper-tantrum = 使性)


 
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侃大山 Mar 7, 2019

David Lin wrote:

《口譯笑話一則》

為何川金會破局了?

據說是翻譯發音,和川普理解的問題⋯。

金:“我們將會建設一個更加強大的新朝鮮。”

朝鮮翻譯:“We will build a strong new Korea.”

川普聽成 "We will build a strong nuclear."

川普憤而離席,雙方沒達成任何協議!





David Lin wrote:

請笑一下。


惨了,刚才违规笑了好几下 ……

索性再添点儿笑料:
Dashan Live - Beijingers Can't Speak Cantonese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK51dlpqpSE


 
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邀 请 Mar 7, 2019

QHE wrote:



David Lin wrote:

請笑一下。


惨了,刚才违规笑了好几下 ……

索性再添点儿笑料:
Dashan Live - Beijingers Can't Speak Cantonese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK51dlpqpSE



放心,其实不笑或哭也可以,只是一个邀请。
当然,你有自订规矩除外。


 
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笑话二则:Cantonese and Beijingese Mar 10, 2019

QHE wrote:



索性再添点儿笑料:
Dashan Live - Beijingers Can't Speak Cantonese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK51dlpqpSE



有粤语朋友尝试用普通话读出这文章,看我能明白多少(只听不看)?

“石室诗士施氏,嗜狮,誓食十狮。施氏时时适市视狮。十时,适十狮适市。是时,适施氏适市。施氏视是十狮,恃矢势,使是十狮逝世。氏拾是十狮尸,适石室。石室湿,氏使侍拭石室。石室拭,氏始试食是十狮尸。食时,始识是十狮尸,实十石狮尸。试释是事。”



幸好口译都沒有文言文情况出现,倒会有时说话的人用无声传递,只用眼神或身体语言如脸部表情,来表达其无奈、同意、惊叹及不以为然等反应,然后等待我(对方也同样等待) 口译出他/她的眼神及各种身体语言。


 
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Autoharp Mar 17, 2019

"I'm Looking Over a Four-Leaf Clover"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t7AB3aBq1w


St.Pattrick’s


 
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Happy St. Patrick's Day Mar 17, 2019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59lIy2FiqE

It's a Great Day for the Irish (Ruby Murray)


Oh, I woke me up this mornin', and I heard a joyful song
From the throats of happy Irishmen, a hundred thousand strong
Sure it was the Hibernian Brigade
Linin' up for to start the big parade

So I fetched me Sunday bonnet and the flag I love so
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It's a Great Day for the Irish (Ruby Murray)


Oh, I woke me up this mornin', and I heard a joyful song
From the throats of happy Irishmen, a hundred thousand strong
Sure it was the Hibernian Brigade
Linin' up for to start the big parade

So I fetched me Sunday bonnet and the flag I love so well
And I bought meself a shamrock just to wear in me lapel
Don't you know that today's March Seventeen?
It's the day for the wearin' of the green


It's a great day for the Irish; it's a great day for fair
The sidewalks of New York are thick with Blarney
For sure you'd think New York was Ol' Killarney

It's a great day for the Shamrock, for the flags in full array
We're feelin' so inspirish, sure because of all the Irish
It's a great, great day



Begosh, there's not a cop to stop the raidin'
Begorrah, all the cops are out paradin'

It's a great day for the Shamrock, for the flags in full array
And as we go a-swingin', every Irish heart is singin'
It's a great, great day
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When Irish Eyes Are Smiling Mar 17, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_k2TWQO7Bo





When Irish Eyes Are Smiling (Ruby Murray)


When Irish eyes are smiling
Sure, it’s like a morn in spring
In the lilt of Irish laughter
You can hear the angels sing


And/Yes, when Irish hearts are happy
All the world seems bright and gay
And when Irish eyes are smiling
Sure, they steal your heart away


 
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It's a great day for the Shamrock Mar 17, 2019

wherestip wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59lIy2FiqE
It's a Great Day for the Irish (Ruby Murray)
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【轻描淡写】 ON THE LIGHTER SIDE 《爱尔兰节戏译之二》
2019

去年戏译尚未了,春风又绿三叶草。
今日再译试二则,只怕名人吃不了。

5/15
NORA ROBERTS
Ireland is a land of poets and legends, of dreamers and rebels.

爱尔兰,富传奇,有个梦想就是理;青苍苍,野茫茫,出了诗人出草莽。——拿辣萝卜吃
D.S. 2019.0317.a

13/15
TOM CRUISE in"FAR AND AWAY"
I'm not going to a distant world. I'm of Ireland, and I'll stay in Ireland until I die!

《大地雄心》对白
少年到白头,今生不远游,生是爱尔兰人,死做爱尔兰魂。——汤姆啃螺蛳
D.S. 2019.0317.b

可电影拍完后他还是回美国来了。美国最厉害的爱尔兰人可不在好莱坞,他们在麻州。


[Edited at 2019-03-17 18:15 GMT]


 
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Wealthy Chinese Looking for Their Treasures Worldwide Mar 23, 2019

【轻描淡写】 ON THE LIGHTER SIDE

《唐代观音想回家,国人富了买菩萨》__海外回流看国运

$100 antique discovered at garage sale auctioned off for $2.1 million at Sotheby’s


唐代鎏金观音 © Sotheby's

No comment on the subject this time. But I might be running around for garage sales now instead of sitting here and translating for pennies. Who knows what I could bump into. I believe I have a better eye for antiques than the lady who bought it for $100, I just haven't had her kind of luck yet.



[Edited at 2019-03-23 18:00 GMT]


 
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